Season 1, Ep. 2: Fighting The Drift

We all want to lead lives of purpose, to feel like we are achieving something and moving toward some clear goal. But unfortunately, many of us find this hard to do. In our increasingly fast-paced and complex lives, there are so many things vying for our time and attention that we can easily get caught up in the day-to-day stresses of life and lose sight of the bigger picture. These things add up to form what we call The Drift.

The Drift is a subtle force that constantly threatens to pull us off course in our lives and leadership, and if we’re not careful, we can end up in a place where we never intended to be. Join us as we explore how, through awareness and intentional planning, you can stop drifting and achieve the results you want in both your life and your leadership.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):

It goes from flat to up like 3000 feet. Beautiful, beautiful place. And I look at a peak and I’m say, okay, let’s wait. It looks like we can get to up the top of this. Let’s go, let’s go hiking.

Speaker 2 (00:13):

It’s Jesse Krebs, a former air force, survival specialist and current head instructor at sear training school in Colorado sear. Well, that stands for survival, evasion, resistance and escape. And it’s there where she teaches these survival skills to both civilians and outdoor professionals back in the nineties. She and her husband were on a day hike in the dolomite mountains in Italy when an unexpected storm threw them off course.

Speaker 1 (00:42):

And we take off and we get most of the way up there. And at some point, uh, my husband says, Hey, Jess, look, and we turn and look, and there’s this beautiful thunderstorm down below on the flatlands. And that is we’re watching it. We see these, it looks like a hand, literally like a black cloud hand reaching over the Ridge line in front of us and pulling this massive black cloud over the Ridge line. So is that okay? We better, even though we’re just maybe a hundred, 200 meters from the top, we’re going to turn around and go back down. And within about five, 10 minutes, we’re completely encased in cloud. We can’t see more than 10 feet in any direction. And we just keep racing, go, go, go, go, go, got to get down and got to get down. Like, this is really nasty conditions, but we can’t move that quickly because it’s so steep. And at one point I finally I’m like, man, something just doesn’t feel right. And I take out my compass and realized we’re like 20 degrees off of where

Speaker 3 (01:34):

I’m like, Oh,

Speaker 1 (01:36):

We went down a different Ridge line. We were so close to the top that we went too far to

Speaker 3 (01:40):

The right Jessie and her husband.

Speaker 2 (01:43):

Then even with all her survival and wilderness training found themselves in a bad situation, caught in a dangerous storm hurrying to find their way to safety, but heading in the wrong direction. That moment when Jesse realized they were off course that, uh, Oh, feeling is one we can all relate to. And for most of us, it doesn’t take a trip to the Dolomites to experience the fear of feeling lost. Unfortunately, many of us can feel lost in our daily lives. Maybe it’s a relationship with a loved one. That’s not what it used to be. Uh, or it’s this realization that you’re working really long hours and sacrificing in your health or other relationships and, and you’re doing it. And the work that you’re doing is no longer engaging you. Maybe it’s a, you’re feeling a distance in a dysfunction in another one of your key relationships, maybe with your kids or somebody else that’s really important to. And, and what happens is you wake up and you wonder, how did I get here? That question can be a profound and painful one. And it’s the result of what I call the drift. I’m Daniel Harkavy. And this is the building champions. I’ve been coaching top business leaders for more than 25 years now to help them to improve how they live and how they lead this episode is about the drift, how we can all get pulled off course, and then what you can do to stop drifting and start living and leading with intention.

Speaker 2 (03:24):

We’ll come back to Jesse story later, but let’s first talk about the drift and how our brains can work against us, setting us off course in life without even realizing it. Here’s dr. [inaudible] Bala a neuroscientist at the university of Oregon.

Speaker 4 (03:40):

Something that all of us have experienced as moving to live in a new place. So when you move to live in a new house, the first night you try and sleep there, you hear the creaks of the rafters. There’s creaking floorboards, there’s creaking stairs, there’s dripping taps. And those seem inordinately loud to you. And you wonder how on earth you’re ever going to sleep in that place. And then a couple of nights later, they become less obtrusive. And a week later, you know, they are part of your environment and you’re never going to notice them till you move to a different place.

Speaker 2 (04:13):

Our brains can only handle so many inputs. There’s so much information for us to process at any given moment. And we cannot possibly hope to process it all at a conscious level to handle this information overload our brains, use a handy trick

Speaker 4 (04:28):

Called habituation. So habituation is, um, one’s ability to get used to what’s going on in our environment. So anything new, we respond to it, anything that was new, but is now part of what is your environment. You stop responding to it. You stop seeing it. You stop noticing it. That’s a bit Jewish.

Speaker 2 (04:50):

Habituation is great for a lot of the mundane everyday things we encounter by getting used to our surroundings, we’re able to focus less brain power on the small things and focus more of it on the things that are new or important, but the same trick can backfire on us.

Speaker 4 (05:06):

We get comfortable ever so easily. Most of us do habits, form soul slowly. And so gradually that by the time you realize that you are drifting away from your goal, um, it’s far too late, um, because these changes are not wholesale. They’re cumulative

Speaker 2 (05:26):

In the same way, your brain becomes desensitized to the creaking floorboards of a new house. It can also become desensitized to your daily rhythms at home or at work. And it’s the subtle gradual movement that makes the drift so dangerous. Take marriage. For example, maybe your relationship with your spouse is going along great, but then you get that promotion at work and, and you start staying late in the office more often. No worries. You think we’ll make up for that missed night next week, but then the kids busy school schedules pickup. So you kick the date night can further down the road. These seem like little decisions, ones that can easily be made up for, and you hardly notice them in the moment, but as they gradually add up, they begin to form a new normal. And before you’ve realized it, your marriage has drifted so far that you begin to wonder how you and your spouse got to this point to where you feel so disconnected. If the drift is so subtle, if our brains can so easily adapt to these unwanted patterns in our lives, then how do we even realize we’re drifting so that we can break out and change course, according to dr. Bala, it takes some significant push or event, usually something outside yourself to wake you up to reality,

Speaker 4 (06:51):

You become vigilant, um, for, uh, for a significant period of time. Following an unexpected event, you are more vigilant to what’s happening in our environment. Things a, you become more attentive. Things tend to you. You become more sensitive to changes things that you might otherwise have missed. And so, um, that burst of activity in our cortex is what allows you wakes you up. So to speak in a particular way, changes the state of consciousness so that you are much more aware of events around you.

Speaker 2 (07:27):

The unexpected events in our lives have a way of grabbing our attention. An argument with your spouse might make it clear for the first time that you’ve drifted in your marriage. A sobering visit to the doctor suddenly makes you realize that you’ve neglected your health for too long. And it’s time for you to make some significant changes or maybe being passed over for a promotion or blowing it on a business deal. It brings home the fact that you need to reassess your priorities at work, whatever it may be, these events can be painful, but they can also serve as a valuable wake-up call telling you that you’ve been drifting and it’s time to get back on track. These wake up calls are crucial, but it’s the actions you take in response to them that will truly determine your success. So what do you do when you realize you’re lost? Let’s go back to the dolomite mountains in Italy, where Jessie and her husband are caught in that big storm. And they’re scrambling down the mountain and they’ve gone down the wrong Ridge line.

Speaker 1 (08:27):

So I decided, okay, well that means we’d just have to go to, we have to go to the left. We went too far, right? We just need to go left. So let me see if I can cut through the drainage and get back to the other Ridge line. And so I’m walking, I tell my husband to stay up top and I found this little ledge and it’s only maybe a foot wide or so, but it looks like a little path kind of going into the drainage, kind of a cross. And I’m like, sweet. If this goes all the way around, we can just dip in there and there’s a ledge. And I can’t tell what’s below me. I’ve no idea what’s down. Cause I can only see 10 feet. So I’m walking and I’m edging myself along and I gripped this big rock in this vertical next to me and I push myself past it.

Speaker 1 (09:03):

And just as it clears my shoulder, it’s about the size of a refrigerator. The whole thing breaks free and falls just barely by a couple of inches. Mrs. Clips, mrs. Clipping my shoulder and I hear it go crash down below me and I just I’m freaked. Right? I’m frozen and panic. I’m like, Oh my God, that could have been me just now. I was so close to dying and I’m cause I’m in that go, go, go mode. We got to get out of here. We gotta get back down. Like it’s getting, it’s going to be dark soon that we’re in the clouds. You know, this is bad. And this thing falls and I just frozen and panic. And of course my husband, all he heard was, was the crash at the bottom. And he’s like Jess, jazz, jazz, and he’s screaming. And I’m like, I can barely speak. I’m so freaked out. I’m like, okay, I’m coming back now. Right.

Speaker 2 (09:56):

Jessie knew she was lost. But instead of taking the time to stop and make a plan, she started moving and it almost cost her dearly.

Speaker 1 (10:05):

So I go back to him, we ended up going back up the mountain, getting back up to basically where we were and then getting on the heading and making our way back down safely. But that was one of those instances where I did what I would tell everybody else not to do. I panicked. I was trying to go too quickly. I didn’t pay attention to the tools I had, which was my company.

Speaker 2 (10:24):

Yes. It’s so easy for us to panic. When we feel lost, the life-changing wake up, call hits us and we know that something has to change, but we don’t know how or where to start. When walking clients through outdoor survival training, Jesse teaches the stop a acronym as a tool for making effective plans and decisions to get you back on the right path. Should you find yourself lost in the wilderness?

Speaker 1 (10:49):

Yeah. If you’re in a bad situation or any situation in life first, think of the stop, a acronym. So S is for stop movement. Just sit still for a second. T is to think, think about the situation where you’re going and O is observe, observe what’s actually happening in the moment in your life right now the P is to now make plans, not just one or two, but several. If this happens, I’m going to do this. If that doesn’t work, I’m going to do this right. So having many plans, and finally, once you’ve gone through that stop, then you can finally get to the a, which is act on those on that information

Speaker 2 (11:22):

Decision frameworks, like the stop acronym are crucial. When it comes to making wise decisions in high stress environments, they help you to focus your efforts and give you, uh, a way forward pushing through all of that anxiety and that uncertainty at building champions, we have a tried and tested framework that we take every person we coach through. It’s called life planning. And I’ve seen this process transformed so many people’s lives. The life planning process works a lot like a GPS for your life. It helps you to recognize where you might be and then to put a plan in place that will enable you to stop the drift and to live with intention coming up, Todd Mo setter, our vice president of content development. We’ll sit down with one of our building champions, executive coaches to share some real world experiences and discuss some practical tools and tips that you can use to fight the drift in your own life and leadership.

Speaker 5 (12:22):

Hi, I’m Todd Mo setter and I work on the content team here at building champions. And this is the part of the podcast where we have the chance to sit down with one of our experienced executive coaches to talk about what we just heard together and take a look at how you can apply that to improve the way you both lead and live today. I’m super excited to talk with Shannon Eckman. Who’s been an executive coach here on our team for about four years, not to mention a good friend. She has 16 years of experience in serving in various leadership roles, including higher education. She has a graduate degree in counseling psychology, and she serves on the board for a number of nonprofits. Shannon, thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 6 (12:57):

Thank you. It’s great to be here.

Speaker 5 (12:59):

So this episode is all about the drift. So when we look at Jessie’s story, um, here’s an experienced person who kind of knew what she was doing and she got pulled off course. I’d love for you just to start off from a coaching and leadership perspective, where do you see your clients sometimes being pulled off course?

Speaker 6 (13:20):

You know, I think the drift is one of those things where we never intentionally get there. And it usually isn’t until we’re looking in the rear view mirror that we realize we are there. And so thinking about the different leaders that I have, the great opportunity to work with, uh, where I’ve seen it the most is, uh, people unintentionally making choices that have adverse effects on other parts of their life. Uh, for example, uh, people who will spend a lot of efforts on their career because they’re doing tough and important work, uh, and then realizing the impact that that’s had on other very important areas to them like raising their children, like, uh, the impact on their spouse, uh, and even thinking about how much life has passed me by while I’ve been focused on work.

Speaker 5 (14:19):

So the drift can be subtle. Sometimes I loved what dr. Bala talked about with this concept of habituation, right? It’s almost like the frog in the boiling water analogy, right? You don’t just suddenly get burned. It’s a gradual kind of progression. Can you talk a little bit about how you’ve seen clients, maybe subtly drift a little bit off course and a little bit off course and kind of what that feels like

Speaker 6 (14:45):

A couple examples come to mind. Uh, one is when I start working with, uh, leaders who, particularly who are in their forties, one of the key areas we look at is what is it going to look like when I retire financially? And people are at that point in life where they’re in their prime earning years. Uh, but chances are, they’re not making the best decisions about how much am I putting away so that when I retire, I’ve got what I need. And the answer to that often is going to see a financial planner who can help you think that through. But that priority shows up right below getting a root canal. Nobody wants to go. And it does cause the drift because we don’t naturally save more than we need to. We’re usually saving less. And so, although I don’t intend to be setting myself up, uh, to have unintended consequences, I am the other one where it shows up, especially with a busy executive is their health. How am I? Um, and, and oftentimes it’s funny, you’ll, you’ll talk to people about what they look like in a photograph. And that usually is the big moment of who is that person in this photo. He is older or overweight, all of those pieces coming together and people saying, I never intended for that to happen. I meant to get up in the morning and be working out. I meant to be, you know, having regular healthcare. I meant to be eating better than I have been. And yet here I am,

Speaker 5 (16:27):

When we think about most of the examples we shared about so far with the drift have done with finances, with relationships, with health, and we’ve touched on the, the work part, right? It’s, it’s one area. When we think about this concept of the drift and its effect on leadership. Can you talk a little bit about how you’ve seen those areas of a life, have a dramatic impact on a leader’s effectiveness?

Speaker 6 (16:51):

So for all of us, it seems as though, because we’re the same person who is showing up at home and at work, uh, there are times where we need to be paying appropriate attention to how am I doing in all areas of my life? Because if, if I’ve had a really challenging weekend where, where something has happened and I come into work and I feel distracted, even if I’m making my best effort to stay focused on what’s going on, the other areas of my life are coming in. And so what do I, what do I do with that? And, and it’s not just course correction. It’s knowing that, that we didn’t get into this distracted mode. Um, in one weekend we got into distracted mode, over a number of really little choices that maybe didn’t even feel like a choice. And yet here we are. And so trying to help people figure out how do I pay special attention in, in all areas of my life so that when I’m at work, I can be fully there. And when I’m at home, I can be fully there.

Speaker 5 (18:03):

That’s so great. I think the word that comes to mind when I hear your answer is this idea of confidence, right? When I’m at work, I don’t have to be as worried about what’s going home because I have confidence that I know where things stand. I have a plan to move forward when I’m at home. I don’t need to be stressing about getting back to work, because again, I have some clarity that’s going to be huge for a leader to have that. All right. So we’ve talked a little bit about, um, kind of how we get there, right? We mentioned people are distracted. I would assume there’s a one that I hear often is this idea that they get a little deceived, right? That there’s a season of life. And I’ll get to that at some point. Can you talk a little bit about how you see clients kind of struggling with that?

Speaker 6 (18:48):

I think the drift is most powerful when we realize for ourselves that we are there as a coach. Sometimes I may be able to see someone drifting before they do. Uh, and, and when you bring that up to someone there, there is those moments of no, no, it’s, it’s not that bad. Oh, maybe I’m over, you know, you’re overhearing what I’m saying or placing too much emphasis on it, as opposed to just clearly being able to say to people, here’s what I’m observing. If you were observing someone else in this position, what kind of questions would be running through your mind? What would you want them to know? So that, that is in part and as well, we, we all think that we are not going to be deceived, that we do have eyes on the aspects of our life that are more important or most important. So when it gets pointed out to us there often, is that initial? Oh no, that that’s not me. Uh, and it takes a while of just continuing to hold up that mirror for people to realize, wait a minute, maybe I am off course. Maybe I don’t, maybe I didn’t intend to be where I happened to be,

Speaker 5 (20:07):

Which leads me to think about back to Jessie. Right. I loved her simple stop, a acronym that she uses for wilderness training that I think applies so well here. So really for me, breaks down into three main pieces, right? The first part is going to be the stop think and observe, right? There’s that reflection piece. Can you talk a little bit about how, when you’re working with clients, you can help them intentionally stop thinking, observe about where they’re at right now,

Speaker 6 (20:37):

A positive example that I will never forget, because it was such a hoot when it happened was, uh, an older client, uh, who was doing her life plan for the first time at one of the events that we hold for folks who want to learn, how to life plan. Uh, and she had come to the end of the process and said, I am 65 years old. And my husband is already retired. And what I’m realizing is I am drifting on the part of my life that says, what’s next, I’m still at work. I’m still working 60 hours a week. And my husband is living our life plan. Uh, and so she said, you know, it really took just seeing it on paper for me to slow down and say, is this what I want to be doing? And, and when I could stop and just think about that for a minute and, and look at my husband and the amazing life he’s living, I was able to say, I have a choice that I have not been allowing myself to make.

Speaker 5 (21:48):

I love that a couple of things I heard that may be very actionable for our listeners. There’s the actual stopping part, right? We’re so busy with life. We have so much going around that even that act of simply pausing to think and observe can be huge. Do you have any tips or things you’ve seen really effective with clients on how they can force that opportunity for them to stop and think and observe?

Speaker 6 (22:16):

The idea of being able to stop is something that I think we resist. And the example that comes to mind is that when we’re thinking about those very most important areas of our life, we don’t mean to, but we try to plan them on the fly. And I think it takes though those times where we separate ourselves out from everything else going on in our life, we might decide I’m going to, I’m going to think about these areas by removing myself from where I usually do my life, and I’m gonna, I’m gonna slow right down. And I’m going to begin to look at the areas of my life and, and give myself time to say, here’s where I’m at. And here’s where I want to be. And don’t be concerned about the gap. There should be a gap you should be thinking about a life that’s even better than the one that you’re living right now. And so if I can slow down enough and look at where am I at right now and where do I want to go? And maybe what’s getting in my way, you can make a plan. But when you’re trying to plan in five minute increments between meetings, we just don’t get down to the root of it. Well, enough.

Speaker 5 (23:41):

There’s such good wisdom in that and leads us perfectly to the next letter in Jessie’s acronym would be the P the plan. And we’ve used the word life plan. A couple of times, both Daniel did in our conversation. That’s a tool that we found. Clients have a lot of success with over the past 20 years. Can you share a little bit with your experience? A client has now stopped. They’ve observed, they’ve thought about it. They’re ready to actually create a plan. What do they really need to be focusing on?

Speaker 6 (24:09):

I think that when people stop and begin to think about a plan, sometimes it can feel like we are eating at a buffet that we, we just plan everything down to the nth degree. What I challenge my clients to do is think about those areas that are most important, because what we don’t want is for you to plan, to live your life as though it’s a second part-time job instead, looking at what, what is most important to me right now? And how do I make one or two or three specific commitments that begin to move me? They either begin to move me forward, or they certainly move me out of the drift. And so if I can say, here’s where I want to go, I see it with such clarity. And here are the, the few things I’m going to start doing that are incremental, that are going to move me incrementally from where I am to that desired future.

Speaker 5 (25:13):

So we’ve covered the stop part. Now we get to the action part. Um, so we’ve got a life plan, right? Uh, Daniel touched on it. It’s like a GPS, right? It talks about where you are, where you want to be and how you’re going to close that gap. So closing the gap obviously requires some action, right? You mentioned it it’s commitments that things you need to do when you’re coaching your clients and they’re getting ready to start kind of executing on their life plan. What advice do you have for folks, things that work well, things that might trip them up.

Speaker 6 (25:42):

I think getting started is the most important part that, that what we say to clients is that when you get started on executing on your life plan, you want to be reviewing that all the time every day. So that it’s top of mind, because sometimes what we’re doing is saying, um, I’m exercising new muscle. Well, I have to exercise that muscle every day in order for it to turn into a habit. And, and so saying to clients, let’s stay super focused on the directions that you’re wanting to head. And let’s pick a few that if, if I’ve gone through and said, there are eight areas of my life that I want to show improvement on. And there’s three things I’m going to do in every category to make that happen. Who’s going to remember to do 24 new things every week or every month. I don’t think any of us.

Speaker 6 (26:43):

So setting a client up to succeed and saying, well, let’s prioritize these and let’s just start. And if you can be moving and saying, I’m, I I’m going to do this thing. If I want to increase my health, my running shoes are in my backpack at lunchtime. I am walking three days a week. If you do it for a week, man, celebrate it. You’re started you’re on the road. You are further than you were the week before. And guess what? If you only walk the next week, two times, get those shoes in the backpack. And next week, get back on track that, that we, we have the drifts always coming at us. So taking those incremental steps, focus on what’s most important and get started. And honestly, this is where coaching helps because I’m asking my clients all the time. Here’s the things that you said were the very, most important things to you to keep your life moving ahead. How are you doing in those great, wonderful. You fell off track. Okay, let’s get back on track. What are we going to do this next week?

Speaker 5 (27:54):

There was such a wisdom in what you shared there. You especially touched on the fact that when you have setbacks and I would hate to set a false expectation with any of our listeners. So let’s just be blunt. You will fail at some point at some time, you’re not going to do everything you intended to do, right? And I think your point about how do we, how do we get back up? How do we react? So just having a plan is not full-proof in terms of fighting the drift. So once you have a plan of action, how do you help your clients continue to be aware and fight the drift? So they don’t think that there may be immune from it any longer,

Speaker 6 (28:32):

Two ways. One is making sure that whatever your plan is, you feel passionate about it, and you feel like you can make steady progress. If those pieces are coming together, there’s a stronger likelihood of continuing on. So that that’s one. Um, the, the second piece is telling other people about your plan, so that they’re, you, you have this tribe around you, who’s cheering you on, who’s encouraging you and holding you accountable. Uh, and, and honestly, I know accountability is not a word that, that we tend to just rush toward, but accountability in the, in the right way is the thing that helps to keep us moving. Uh, and, and it’s that being in relationship sharing with people, this is what I want to do. Can you help me get there? And then helping people make those choices? I think that’s, that’s how this really all comes together. And every time you feel like I think I’m falling off, you know, on, on whatever this goal or plan is, get back on. As soon as you realize it, realize that’s life, it’s happening to everyone. What am I going to do tomorrow to get back on is when we languish in that, that, that we literally are drifting away from what we said, we wanted

Speaker 5 (30:01):

Most of the clients and folks we have the chance to work with. They often come into the process with maybe a narrow definition of what’s important to them, right? Maybe a handful of areas. Can you share some examples of where you’ve seen clients maybe broaden their perspective to focus to your point in an appropriate way, and maybe beyond, you know, the top two or three work health, that’s had a big impact on them.

Speaker 6 (30:28):

It’s interesting that you use the word impact. Uh, an example that often comes to mind is sometimes busy executives assume that the, the big contribution they’re going to make in life is to their career, but helping them to broaden out and say, what about the impact you can have on your community? What about the things that are of special interest to you, whether it’s, um, you know, becoming active in your community, through volunteering, uh, through sitting on a board through doing something that goes beyond what is directly right in front of you and, and really brings your passion for whatever is outside of your career and say to yourself, I want the footprint of my life to be bigger than just what’s right out there in front of me. Uh, and so how, how do I do that? The other piece too, is realizing, um, many, many executives who are family. People have children. They are our primary target for, um, am I spending enough time with them? Who is the person they’re going to become? Are they going to become that because I’m paying attention to them, or are they going to become something in spite of me? And when we word it that way, helping parents realize the biggest win you’re ever going to have is spending time with those children and helping them become the best possible version of themselves.

Speaker 5 (32:01):

It makes me think that when we talk about the cost and the expense of drifting regret is probably one of the greatest. Can you talk a little bit about the moment that a client has that, Oh, I’m caught in the drift and the weight of regret.

Speaker 6 (32:19):

I will never forget a client who, um, I’ve had for several years now. Uh, and when we were going through the life planning process and got to the account on children, um, that when he had finished writing, he came back and sat down. We were, face-to-face sat down in front of me and said, I can’t believe how awful I feel and how I’m not sure I’m ever going to get this back on track with my kids and the, the weight of what felt like despair, uh, was palpable. And, and beginning to look at, um, when you describe current reality, it might not be anywhere where you intended it to be, and the drift could be devastating. And the point is not to leave you there, but we do have to recognize where are we starting from so that we know how far away is that intended future.

Speaker 5 (33:32):

That’s so great. I think when we think about leaders that are able to create that sense of connection and investment with their team, we’ve really seen it make a difference

Speaker 6 (33:40):

For them. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (33:43):

And hopefully through the tools we have the assessment online, you’ve mentioned the life plan. That’s a free tool. We have available as well. Billing champions.com/podcast. We’d encourage you to download that. And like Shannon said, how can you stop, assess where you are and create a plan to move forward. Shannon, thanks for taking time to sit down. We really appreciate it listeners. Again, we hope that through this conversation, you’re a little more aware of the drift building champions.com/podcast is the best place to get the tools and resources we’ve talked about. If you haven’t had a chance to subscribe yet, please do so. So we can ensure that each week we deliver new episodes to you. And we’d love to know what you think. Please take a moment, rate us, give us your feedback so we can do better. Shannon, thank you again. And listeners, we look forward to seeing you on the next episode.

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So if you’re realizing right now that you’re caught in the drift, if there’s an area of your life where you’re feeling lost and you, and you’ve got that, [inaudible] in that panic feeling. I want you to know that it’s not too late. Listen to that, move forward, embrace it. It can provide you with the opportunity to make the necessary changes just like Jessie did when she narrowly fell off that mountain to take the time, to create your plan and get back on the right path. If you do, I promise you your life and your leadership can be changed for the better. Thanks to Jesse crabs for sharing her story and expertise and thanks to dr. Avinash Bala for sharing his wisdom and insights, and to get the tool as well as other resources that will help you with your life plan. You can go to building champions.com forward slash podcast. I want to thank you for investing the time and listening to us. I hope that, uh, this is truly life-changing and if you have any questions, please reach out to me or my team here at building champions, we would love to, uh, to be a resource for you as you journey ahead.